OT - Greece

  1. AluminumFrog

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    Discussions about what's happening in Greece usually becomes white noise

    This link is to a pretty well written and comprehendible explanation of the nitty-gritty of it all.

    http://tinyurl.com/7dzwsvh

    The article references to another article where I picked this...flowe...er...weed for Frenchie.

    Italy can pull out of its tailspin, but it will need help from the ECB in the form of debt issued at lower than current market rates. But if you give it to Italy, must not you do the same for Spain and Portugal? And while their economies are markedly worse, their government debt-to-GDP ratios are nowhere near as bad. And don't even get me started about France, which becomes a crisis of biblical proportions by the middle of the decade. Let me note that France is not Greece. It actually is too big to save. France will make a difference when it enters its problem period. And the probable election of Hollande does nothing to alleviate any concerns. (Note: this will not prevent me from enjoying Paris in a few weeks, nor a hoped-for vacation in future years in the Loire Valley.)

    Posted 1 year ago
  2. jpouchet

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    Note: won't prevent me from going to Nice May 22 - 25. What a horribble place to hold a business conference. I'll take one for the forum and save the rest of you the grief of the travel.

    Posted 1 year ago
  3. Orange Crush

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    Not to worry, I'll single handedly right the northern Italian economy early July before stimulating the Dutch economy later that month. Everything will be just dandy.

    The wise man said follow me...and he walked behind.
    Posted 1 year ago
  4. longslowdistance

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    How about this: Greece defaulted, and in effect got a better deal. Why shouldn't Italy, etc. go for the same better deal?

    Posted 1 year ago
  5. Danboo

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    Nah, we should shun Greece, France, Italy, any country that is nice to live in,
    balance the budget, outlaw unions, fuck retirements, quit spending any money on anything other
    than creating better "business" opportunities for business, who will then make sure we all have a
    nice life, I am sure.
    The US is so far away from the position of Greece, it is ridiculous, except in the minds of right wing extremists, looking for any excuse to cut spending for the middle and lower class.
    AF, you would do better to read Paul Krugman than whatever doomsday websites you visit.

    Posted 1 year ago
  6. eurochien

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    "France will make a difference when it enters its problem period"...
    France entered its problem period in 1981, it has not come out of it yet.

    Posted 1 year ago
  7. OlmoRider

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    I understand that southern European economies have difficulties. However, it is good to remember that Europe as a whole (or even Eurozone) is not bankrupt.

    According to the Economist Intelligence Unit " if the [euro area] is treated as a single entity, its [economic and fiscal] position looks no worse and in some respects, rather better than that of the US or the UK" and the budget deficit for the euro area as a whole is much lower and the euro area's government debt/GDP ratio of 86% in 2010 was about the same level as that of the US. "Moreover," they write, "private-sector indebtedness across the euro area as a whole is markedly lower than in the highly leveraged Anglo-Saxon economies."

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro

    Posted 1 year ago

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