Gawd the commercialism in this country is totally insane.

  1. george

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    I was trying to decide on what movie to see tomorrow along with my brother. So we went online to check out a couple a movie trailers which is a commercial of the movie but before allowing us to watch the trailer (commercial)we must first watch a commercial selling pampers or some other smelly product before watching a commercial of the product we are thinking of buying. Is there no end to the madness?

    I can't think of one commercial I have watched in the last 10 years that made me want to go out and buy it. I don't eat junk food,don't drink booze of any sort,can't afford fancy clothes, will drive the car I have now to the day I die.
    I'm frugal, cheap,poor and buy second hand, even bikes. Most of the new components I buy I shop online and get it for half the price from foreign internet sellers.
    Who the heck is buying any of that garbage they are trying to shove down our throats on TV and the Internet? Anyone?

    O.K feel better now that I got that out of my system.

    Posted 1 year ago
  2. JS

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    I'm in the same boat Bob, just not a "consumer" in the modern sense. The DVR means I haven't watched a complete TV commercial at home in years. I DO NOT shop.....well, except for beer, just spent $100.00 on beer the other day, Belgian beer is my one weakness and it's damn expensive. Curse you Brouwerij Van Steenberge.

    For all the good they've done me, I might as well have stuck them up my arse. - Mark Renton
    Posted 1 year ago
  3. pa biker

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    It is pretty funny what folks are paying for. I cannot remember the last time I "clicked" on any ad that presented itself. With the exception of the ads to the left and right of this forum (by mistake).

    Posted 1 year ago
  4. Honus

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    Oh, it gets worse than that! As a long-time listener of NPR, I have become absolutely disgusted with the very obvious infomercials that have become embedded in their programming content over the last few years. In fact, I just tossed-off a little screed to the Obbudsman about this very topic. Is there no safe harbor from blatant advertising? If not NPR, where?

    Here's the text of the rant I sent-off just this morning ...

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    I did a little math re: the content of last Sunday's "Weekend Edition Sunday".

    Along with the customary worthwhile journalistic segments, the show included the usual two music-related and two author interview segments. Since both music "albums" and both books were magically available for purchase on the NPR website, these segments strike me as blatant "informercials" and violate one of the very foundations of journalism - "We don't pay for content".

    While this does not strictly fall under the umbrella of "paying for content", NPR is getting financial support in the form of "kickbacks" from the sale of the items being hawked by the hosts, and hence, the content of the program is being shaped by financial considerations. While NPR has a financial interest in the content being presented to your listeners, these segments are beiing couched as journalistic content in the context of an otherwise high-minded and well-respected program.

    How bad is it? Out of a 90 minute show, 24 1/2 minutes were allocated to these informercials. If you count the ever-present shout-outs to the various corporate sponsors, you are pushing 30% or more of the air time being spent in schilling goods and representing the financial interests of commercial sponsors. How is this not commercial radio? How is this different than tuning into any commercial AM or FM radio station?

    As I see it, 1 out of every 3 minutes of air time is equivalent to listening to the infamous "Vince" hawking Shamwows. But Vince is far more entertaining. If I've got to listen to commercials, give me Vince.

    I feel sorry for the program hosts. Those folks have long histories as journalists and have worked hard to get where they are. You don't work at that level for NPR without having an extensive and impressive curriculum vitae, and yet they are reduced to being "pitchmen" for 1/3 of every show (this was not a unique show and was very similar to most of the WESAT and WESUN offerings).

    As a long-time listener, I can remember when this was not the case. I remember when NPR was non-commercial radio and was truly dependent upon listener contributions. Now, I understand the financial pressure that NPR has been under for the past several years and how much anguish and the great gnashing of teeth that must have accompanied this change of format as you try to find a sustainable business model, but sinking to this level should be off the table. Now, though I am still expected to contribute to the cause financially, I also have to "pay" for access to NPR programming by having to endure the ever-present informercials in the mix.

    I guess that all I can ask is that you at least label the music and author segments (as well as the frequent pitching of HBO shows, for which I'm sure there is money changing hands) as "Paid Programming" as do my local TV stations when they air informercials. And stop asking me to contribute money. If you are going to bend the rules, at least be up front about it. While the Saturday and Sunday shows are far-and-away to worst examples, this has begun to creep into both Morning Edition and All Things Considered as well. That is very disturbing.

    I have stopped contributing to my local station. They don't need me anymore. They can get their money from the mother ship, now that it has gone commercial. I haven't contributed for the past few years and feel absolutely no guilt while I continue to listen. I now pay in other more painful ways.

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    End of rant!

    I ride alone in bad company ...
    Posted 1 year ago
  5. zootracer

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    Ditto...we rent movies from Netflix. Often we have to sit through about a half dozen or so previews about movies we have absolutely no interest of renting and we are prevented from fast forwarding though them. We pay money to rent a movie and have to sit through the stupid previews.

    On the good side we have dish network. We dvr our favorite shows and fast forward through all the commercials...I watched Paris Roubaix straight through with no commercials...however it cost $$$ for the advantage of being able to do that...

    Posted 1 year ago
  6. Jah

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    after watching the Tour of Flanders on-line, had to spend some time ditching all the adware and "toolbars" that appeared as a result of use. thank the gods for malware bytes

    Posted 1 year ago
  7. Yo Mike

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    I hear you Honus. Nice letter. Makes me think of the 'American Idol' coverage the local FOX TV station works into their 10 PM 'news' hour. Other networks do the same with their similar programs. As if I give a rat's a$$.

    I still contribute $50 or so to my local station / year, but NPR hasn't been the same since Bob Edwards left.

    Posted 1 year ago
  8. thinline

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    Zoot, I hear ya on the Netflix thing. Drives me crazy when you try to jump to the movie and get the little red circle with the line through it.

    I rarely go to see movies in the theatre, but went this past winter to see Girl With the Dragon Tattoo. I was flabbergatsed that before the trailers there were full blown advertisements for area businesses. The person I was with said, "Wow, guess it's been a while since you've gone to a movie. Happens all the time now."

    Posted 1 year ago
  9. Justacyclist

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    Bob, a company paid big bucks for you to think "pampers" when talking about "some other smelly product." Their advertising dollars paid off I believe, even if it was not pampers.

    Posted 1 year ago
  10. george

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    Just a cyclist@Bob, a company paid big bucks for you to think "pampers" when talking about "some other smelly product." Their advertising dollars paid off I believe, even if it was not pampers."

    Actually I made that part up since I really couldn't recall what the product was other than full of shit like pampers. If they paid big bucks to think of pamper that way then someone is flushing $$$$ down the toilet.

    Posted 1 year ago
  11. Justacyclist

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    That's the point. ;-)

    Posted 1 year ago
  12. Orange Crush

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    Advertising doesn't work? Check the amount of cars parked at Walmart on a sunny day.

    The wise man said follow me...and he walked behind.
    Posted 1 year ago
  13. THE SKINNY

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    advertising must work or they wouldn't spend millions doing it. i was trapped in a doctor's waiting room this morning with the local news and then good morning america blaring on the 3 tv's in the room. nowhere to hide as i tried to read a book. what a bunch of pampers filling that was. i gladly listen to npr and their infomercials. the way i see it, i probably won't buy the book they are advertising but they give a good overview so i've gained some knowledge with my time spent. the sad part is the regular commercial advertising, as much as i try not to pay attention, still has an effect on what i purchase.

    If you are not hallucinating, you are not trying hard enough
    Posted 1 year ago
  14. george

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    O.C. never been in Walmart or seldom chance by one since we don't have a Walmart in the city by the bay.
    But for that matter one look no further than any huge discount retailer parking lot to notice most times they are full.
    Has to do with pricing not advertising though looking at a lot of those families who frequent them they do like their fast foods.

    Posted 1 year ago
  15. hoshie99

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    Malware excluded (which is evil) how do you expect content owners and media companies to make money with all the free content they provide? Neil Rogers, Pelkey and others deserve to get paid. And, advertisers like Felt or other bike related companies need a way to reach their audience.

    In the case of movie trailers, those are very popular content and serving them up, and often in HD quality no less, costs Amazon and others money via CDN and video streaming fees so IMDB (owned by Amazon) and other movie sites do the obvious - run commercials on them.

    For the record, I don't love it either, but there is a fundamental cost and need to create profit off of free content for media companies. Some sites and services do it more elegantly than others, but it is what it is.

    j

    Posted 1 year ago
  16. fred2000

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    For trailers (sans ads) use http://www.traileraddict.com/ - Youtube blows...

    Posted 1 year ago
  17. hoshie99

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    Too funny Bob. What's even worse is I bet they don't even have the rights over that video --

    j

    Posted 1 year ago
  18. CB2

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    Once an ad sell someone on a product, like PampersĀ®, they need someplace to buy it.

    Jam Econo
    Posted 1 year ago
  19. Honus

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    hoshie,

    I agree that content providers deserve to be paid, and generally the better that content the more costly it is to produce. But my problem is that seemingly the whole world has adopted the advertising-only business model as if that is the only option.

    Your comment that "free content" must be paid for is very telling. Since we've all come to expect everything to be free on all forms of media, we just knee-jerk to thinking that we should accept a never-ending stream of advertising as our penance. In my opionion, that cost is too high.

    I much prefer to pay for services rendered in full-on "pay-per-view" mode instead of having to settle for free content and the constant mind-numbing stream of popular culture crapola that comes with it. I don't need advertising and like most folks just block it out the best I can (the DVR is right up there with duct tape as one of the greatest inventions ever!). When I need to buy something, I know what I want and can find it easily enough. I prefer the subsription model and would gladly pay for content. I think the move by the New York Times to subscription fees for online access to their content is the right move and one I support with my 15 bucks per month. But sadly, at that rate it also includes the advertising which I block with the AdBlocker add-on. I'd be willing to pay a higher subscription fee for a content-only version. Such a two-tiered approach would suit the needs of those that can live with the ads and those of us who prefer not to live in that world. Would that more services and content providers take-up that model, as I believe they will.

    But sadly, that doesn't seem to be enough. NPR and PBS have struggled mightily over the years with the voluntary user subscription model which has never really worked. Just witness to poor program offerings on PBS compared to their pre-web/pre-cable heyday before their user-base migrated to the various free options, some of it of high quality and in direct competition with PBS's best stuff. How will they survive?

    I'm continually non-plussed by the degree to which folks will put-up with constant advertising, even willingly installing phone apps and signing-up for Titter feeds so as to be updated with all sorts of promotional drivel 24/7. Folks just seem to have not only accepted it, but volutarily seek it out. I just don't get it.

    But to think that I'll ever see a true pay-as-you-go world sans advertising would be tilting at windmills. I hold no illustions but will willingly pay for content whenever possible so as to spend as little time being bombarded by crap and staying out of that little corner of hell as much as possible. I'd like to see as many alternatives to the advertising-only model as possible emerge over time. There's got to be a better way!

    Posted 1 year ago
  20. hoshie99

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    honus- pandora and a few others have a pay for content option sans ads, but that's music...

    I think some media will experiment with commerce as an alternative form of monetization.

    j

    Posted 1 year ago
  21. Honus

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    Hoshie,

    Pandora is a perfect example of the two-tiered approach, free to those willing to put-up with the ads and available via subscription to those that don't. The various music sites also have and make use of another interesting cash-generator. Before there was Pandora, I subscired to similar sites, including Live365 for which I have maintained my subscription all these years (in fact I'm listening as we "speak"). When they play a piece that I'm interests me I can use the "click-to-buy" function such that I can get it on iTunes in a flash. They make a small cut and I've got what I want. I like that model. I have no interest in buying movies or videos, but I suspect that the various "trailer" sites offer a similar service. Here's to hoping that alternatives to the advertising-only business model continue to evolve as viable alternatives.

    Posted 1 year ago
  22. wanker

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    Why can't everything just be free... like in North Korea.

    Advertising makes the world go around. In fact, it's paying for the very Internet and website on which we are surfing (Google, Yahoo!, Velonews.com etc. etc.)

    However, if it's any consolation, studies have shown that Americans are the most jaded and least influenced by advertising.

    Posted 1 year ago
  23. hoshie99

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    Right - no ads = no Google / Yahoo / Facebook / email services for consumers, etc.

    j

    Posted 1 year ago

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