5 mo. update low HR (Maffetone)

  1. huckleberry

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    212 watts at a heart rate of 135bpm to 290 watts at same heart rate in 5 months.

    I go out for occasional real world tests and let my HR go, but thats' only about 1 out of 10 rides - just to see if I still have a top end, and see if I can still hold my own ; )

    I'm sticking to this program - it's proven itself beyond my severe doubts.

    My sleep is much better and much more consistent, resting HR is down and stable, and I feel much better - not so damn wasted.

    Gained a little weight over that time, 6 pounds, but that was intentional as I hit the weights over winter and tried to regain some muscle.

    Posted 1 year ago
  2. Cosmic Kid

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    You are pushing 290 watts @ 135 bpm? Yikes....for how long? I'm guessing for long periods, but want to make sure I am understanding this properly.

    How much do you weigh?

    Just say "NO!!" to WCP!

    "Want to get faster? Work harder, eat better, cut the crap. Instead of talking the talk, work the work"
    Posted 1 year ago
  3. huckleberry

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    One hour. The rides I can quantitatively measure my progress are based on my trainer rides as the are easier to maintain a specific HR on.

    I weigh 188lbs.

    Outdoors on my rides where I let myself go, I still have a high max - hit 192 last weekend during a 4.5 hour ride - my first long ride in 6 months. Although my legs were tired by the end, my sit bones and triceps were killing me ; )

    My problem before was that I would consistently go out and ride hard - sadly, I found out I was old ; )

    Posted 1 year ago
  4. nightfend

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    Everyone's heartrates are different, but that's an efficient motor you have huckleberry if you hold a power of 290 for an hour and your heartrate averages 135. In contrast, 290 is getting close to my threshold for an hour, and my heartrate would be at least in the mid 160's and my max hr is about 188.

    Posted 1 year ago
  5. Serotta94

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    Cyclists have a long history of riding too hard all the time. When HR monitors first came out the few people I knew who really used them - recorded time in each zone, etc., all ended up backing off on how hard they were riding AND they got faster.

    My experience was that most people spent all their time "killing it" in zone 3 and never went easy enough to truely recover or hard enough to reach their potential.

    Posted 1 year ago
  6. huckleberry

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    + 1

    That was me, Serotta.

    Posted 1 year ago
  7. Serotta94

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    I got a lot faster when I gave up group rides.

    Posted 1 year ago
  8. hoshie99

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    My roommate in grad school (British, did some continental racing) would always say: "Americans are usually too fast on slow days, too slow on fast days."

    I don't know my power, but I have been doing a lot of high zone 2 work for specific periods and am finding I can cruise in group / club rides much easier when I choose to do them. Heart rate is low to mid 130s for a lot of the base+ work I do.

    So a little different program than you Huck since I also do some faster interval days, but am seeing similar types of benefits.

    j

    Posted 1 year ago
  9. pretender

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    if you think this is a cycling specific issue, you should go over to letsrun and read about how we all train too hard.

    i have no problem keeping HR down to reasonable levels on the bike. running slow enough to do so is brutal.

    Posted 1 year ago
  10. huckleberry

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    Yeah, Hoshie - I'm going to add a long interval day at the six month mark - do one long 20' interval at max once a week or alternate every other with long Saturday rides.

    Just want to be careful to stay healthy.

    Posted 1 year ago
  11. hoshie99

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    That is a lot of discipline Huck - sounds like it is paying off. Hope you are also taking time to enjoy riding; that's an important part of it, isn't it?

    j

    Posted 1 year ago
  12. jacques_anquetil

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    hey huck - can you summarize again what the Maffetone method is again? what you did, how long, etc. sounds like some massive improvements!

    Posted 1 year ago
  13. thinline

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    A good friend of mine that is a certified personal trainer once told me, "A heart rate monitor is a tool, not a weapon." I used to use it to see how long I could sustain a high heart rate. A couple years ago I learned about energy zones, recovery etc. Lost about 20 pounds and just kept getting better.

    Posted 1 year ago
  14. huckleberry

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    Hoshie - I'm finally getting back to being able to have fun outside. I really did this as a last resort to having heavy relapsing overtraining symptoms - high cortisol levels, extremely elevated resting heart rate, insomnia - which led to depression.

    Fall and Winter was a perfect time to have to stick to the trainer - it wasn't so tempting to go outside as it is now and coming up.

    Jacques - Maffetone prescribes a long base building period with a low heart rate - not zones - a specific heart rate. It sounds quite simplistic and I won't get into defending it as that would be pointless. He uses 180 minus age, plus or minus a few beats for other factors. I was just at my wits end, so I tried it - it seems to be working for me. It does take discipline - which I am not blessed with, but did stick with it. All my rides for the first 3 months were at the heart rate of 135 - I realized at that HR I couldn't ride outside because it's so hilly here, so all of it was on the trainer. I went outside at 3 months because I wanted to see how much real riding fitness I had lost, and discovered I was just as strong. Comforted that the plan appeared to be working I decided to keep at the low HR riding, and it keeps improving.

    You'll read lots of opinions about it. I was really just looking for a way to stay on the bike and get over being sick - and I'm blown that I've not just done that, but improved.

    Posted 1 year ago
  15. george

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    Being an old fuk using this method would have me training between 113-123, like Huck stated with the terrain in these parts that is almost impossible.
    My high is around 162 and resting low 50's.
    If anything I'm always pushing the highest gear and at least 85% or higher of my max.
    Maybe that explains why I feel like toast even for a short ride of 18-24 miles.
    Thanks Huck, food for thought.

    Posted 1 year ago
  16. Orange Crush

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    I don't have a heart so that's easy... :-)

    I am sensing great discipline, something I also don't have.

    Now if only I could find my life.

    The wise man said follow me...and he walked behind.
    Posted 1 year ago
  17. C2K_Rider

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    That sounds a lot like ideas that go back to people like Ernst van Aken in the 70's - long easy efforts to promote very high efficiency. Van Aken promoted simply running everywhere during the day to get miles in rather than doing single long run sessions. Mark Allen took that up during his training and talked about taking 20 min here and there to do easy runs at a 70% pace.

    Yes, it works

    "The stone age didn't end because the earth ran out of stones, and the oil age won't end because the earth runs out of oil" -- Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute, rmi.org
    Posted 1 year ago
  18. hplbiking

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    When I was race training I used to use the heart rate monitor to see how low I can average on my recovery/commute rides. So true about getting faster by riding slower.

    Not racing anymore so going slow is not a problem I have at all! Seriously even if I am riding enough to need a recovery ride, if I want to hammer, I hammer. No rules anymore, just ride for fun!

    Posted 1 year ago

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