gotye: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UVNT4wvIGY
Melancholy is incompatible with bicycling. ~James E. Starrs
Login or Register
Is it harder to ride or run up a hill? and keeping the old farts up to date.
-
-
I dunno about up hill, but I can tell which is easier going down hill!
-
-
About 20 years ago, raced a 400 meter runner up a 20% hill (about 250 meters long)for kicks. Caught him after maybe 150-200 meters. More recently was chased by a chihuahua up a 15% hill, and couldn't get rid of it. I keep telling myself it was a size thing.
-
Yes - both are more difficult.
-
One of the scariest incidents on bike ever was being chased by a german shepherd up a hill deep in santa cruz mountains redneck territory. Fortunately the animal didn't have much power of conviction.
The wise man said follow me...and he walked behind. -
Riding up hill. Bike has wheels, you don't. No free wheeling on the downside.
I clicked on that link. Some guy and gal singing. Don't see the correlation.
-
Orange Crush, I once was chased by a dog on what was touted as the steepest road in Santa Cruze county. Think it was called the Alba Grade, but it's been so long I cannot remember.
As for running vs. biking. I've passed a lot of guys on Mountain bikes while running up one local hill.
-
Depends on the length and steepness of the climb. Very long climb bike wins,very short and steep most likely runner (if both in very good condition).
-
I was once chased, and almost caught, by a three-legged dog while going up a 12% grade. Also, this debate is simple. If long hill, cyclist wins always. If short hill and cyclist is allowed a slow roll up or at least allowed to be clipped in, cyclist wins. If very short hill and cyclist isn't clipped in and runner throws thumb tacks in front of cyclist and cyclist is texting on cell phone and runner is a professional....cyclist wins ;) (runners don't get all in a tizzy, I was a runner before this)
-
Serotta94, I rode down Alba Road during a hard winter storm (serious rain) on my brand new Peter Mooney with its Mafac cantilever brakes. There were rivers of water. Halfway down my index fingers were getting tired so I went to two fingers.
I knew after that ride the bike was special; it was going to live up to its purpose well. (To be my link to sanity for the crazy years after my head injury.)
Ben
-
zootracer. It's a two topic thread. The guy and girl singing were on SNL last week and, while I've heard that song before, I didn't realize how good it was until I listened to the whole song.
On the climbing topic. I was asking which is harder, not which is faster.
Say you take a hill. Any hill. A cyclist rides up said hill, while maintaining a certain wattage. Then on a different day, the same cyclist, because he or she is an avid runner, runs up the same hill maintaining the same wattage. Which effort would burn more calories? Or would both efforts burn the same amount of calories.
I'm not a runner. Just curious. -
In theory, they would both use the same total energy. In practice, the runner uses more.
-
If the human body is equally efficient running and cycling, the cyclist would use more energy unless his bike weighs nothing. (I debated whether I should carry a waterbottle up the Mt. Washington hill climb. Then I realized carrying one pound up 4700 feet was like jacking up all 4 wheels on a 4700 pound car one foot. The cage came off.)
Ben
-
Re: in theory the bike has mass so 'equal energy' is not the same as the guy running up the hill backwards.
-
I always thought that someone should make an I-tunes track of a pack of dogs barking ( like they were chasing you )
Then play it back at the finish line..... you'd get a 10% increase in speed of the sprint.
-
In "reality" it's only as hard as the effort you put into it. Easy enough test to do oneself. Theories are just that, theories.
-
Work is a function of calories expended. The cyclist has to drag the weight of himself and the bike, thus slightly more calories expended. Pretty much undeniable due to physics....there is no free lunch, at least when going uphill.
"To be free and to live a free life - that is the most beautiful thing there is."
Miguel Indurain -
The work the athlete does though is a function of biomechanical efficiency as well. The energy the body needs to put into the activity in order to generate a certain amount of useful forward energy out. Bike riding, with the load bearing frame, and the mechanical advantage, is far more efficient than maintaining a running gait. That's why a bike rider always moves faster along a flat road than a runner for a given amount of effort.
This biomechanical efficiency advantage of the bicycle is offset by it's increased mass as the road turns up. The grade at which the increase in energy required to move the extra 16 or so pounds of bicycle against gravity becomes more than the biomechanical advantage of the bike is the point the runner would be faster.I have no idea what grade that would be at. I would guess it's steeper than most roads cyclists normally ride on.
-
That's a cool song. The girl is hot!
-
Easy answer that I seem to always choose when I am comparing anything. Which ever one I am doing at the time is the hardest, the best, etc.
-
Ding Ding Ding!!!! Cerv nailed it!
Lifting each leg over and over is far more actual muscular work than simply using your weight to push pedals down. So, theory and closed systems be damned. It's more actual effort to run up a hill than to ride up.
-
TV, more work to run up, but more work done to ride up; where the first "more work" is the calorie expenditure of the body and the second "more work done" is the measurable end result, ie mass lifted times vertical distance lifted.
(I think it is time to play the "Work Song", written my Nat Adderley and made famous by his brother Cannonball Adderley and many others. I learned it from Paul Butterfield.)
Ben
-
I did a few 24 hour mountain bike races years ago. One had a really steep short climb. It was ridable for some, however it really sapped your energy. I was on a team and could afford the extra effort, however most of the solo riders were walking (although pretty fast walk). So no scientific proof, but I figured the bike was more effert. It was of course faster, so if it was just one lap the solo guys would have ripped up it, but over the long hall, walking was the best approach.
-
good anectodal evidence hpl. maybe the grade the transition happens is within the range of MTB trails. you'd have to compare runners and riders going the same speed though
20-25% grade maybe?that video is really cool too. good song
Reply »
You must log in to post.