Custom Ti bike recommendations

  1. Lis

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    I currently have a Litespeed Tuscany Ti frame for my summer bike. Although I really like it, I have been dealing with back issues (Herniated disc and basically bone on bone L4-5 - lumbar spine). Have seen ortho docs, back surgeons (no surgeries), had multiple type of back injections, etc. I have no interest in a recumbant. Anyway, I've been saving for a custom ti frame the last 2 1/2 years and finally have the $$ to buy one. I really like my ti and really think had it been carbon, the bike would have been totaled a couple of times from accidents. I am just starting to look into custom ti options - Serrata, Moots, Litespeed, Seven, Independent Fabrication, L? a takeoff from the original Litespeed company, Erikson, etc. Any recommendations or input on these or other options??

    Thanks! Lis

    Posted 3 years ago
  2. watermoccasin

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    I'm very pleased with my Carl Strong custom ti road bike.

    http://www.strongframes.com

    Posted 3 years ago
  3. Cosmic Kid

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    Lynskey - they were the original owners of LItespeed.

    Just say "NO!!" to WCP!

    "Want to get faster? Work harder, eat better, cut the crap. Instead of talking the talk, work the work"
    Posted 3 years ago
  4. twelveicat

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    Working with Lynskey is the most pleasant and smooth experience I've ever had in custom bike ordering. They offer as many options as you can imagine and then some. Any version of "custom" that you can name. I have frame that's 3 years old and they've improved the design a bit since then, but it's smoother than any carbon bike out there. It was built with longer stays and a more comfy ride while still being a race bike. It's a race-touring bike. They nailed it as far as giving me what I wanted.

    Craftsmanship, design and options are all top shelf.

    I can't recommend them enough. And then some.

    Posted 3 years ago
  5. beart6256

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    I've had a Seven Elium SG (like they're current Elium SLX) for the past 6 years and still love every ride on it. Great on climbs and very comfortable on 100+ mile rides. I also recently built up a Ritchey Ti-Carbon Breakaway, matching the fit to the Seven, and I gotta say it's pretty darned close to the comfort and responsiveness, as well as matching the weight. And I have heard nothing but good things about Lynsky, as well.

    Posted 3 years ago
  6. hackmechanic

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    Lynskey bikes are made well enough and all, you'll probably love it, have it forever, they will deliver on time and to spec etc etc. They are a good company. But I just don't get the Helix thing. All that crap about differential forces is well, crap. Drive forces are in the back half of the frame but weight transfer from sprinting and pulling on the bars is symmetrical. Any drive torque from the drive train is transferred through where the down tube meets the bb shell. That twisty top tube is just plain goofy.

    I feel the same way about Serotta, I lost a lot of respect for them when they strapped those rubber strips onto the seat stays to "tune" the ride. But again, super well made bikes, excellent craftsmanship, great company.

    Moots is incredible and would be my first choice. Perfection in workmanship, incredible details, no goofy options or smoke and mirror shows. That being said I'm not a big fan of their stock geometry. It rides nice enough but it didn't make me happy. If you have a solid understanding of fit and geometry I wouldn't hesitate to have them build you a bike. With Moots it's in the details; machined seat reducer made from titanium that's welded in instead of a reducing sleave, welded on seat binder, welded in water bottle eyelets, machined head tube, excellent dropout design, function driven design...etc, etc.

    Indy Fab is the same as Moots though I think the detailing on the Moots is nicer. I've owned a stock Indy Fab that was perfection in the details but didn't handle nearly as well as a custom Indy Fab I had made to my specs. I also had them make me a cross bike that I specced the fit and paint (they were perfect on both accounts) but I let them do the geometry and I didn't like the ride as much as other cross bikes I've had.

    I wouldn't ride a Seven. Too much hype and not enough substance.

    I've never dealt with Strong but I've always liked what he does.

    In the end I'd buy another Moots but get them to make it to my spec. In all my dealings with them I never got the impression that they were super interested in fitting the bike for you, that they'd rather get you to go to a shop or somewhere and send them your specs for fit and they'd build you what you want. But it's been three years since I've dialed the number to Moots.

    Posted 3 years ago
  7. sbcari

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  8. system7

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    I have a stock seven axiom Ti that I picked up used some time ago now....2002 maybe. I have called seven on occasion to get the exact build specifications, inquire about a replacement fork (rake recommendation) and frame refurbishing. They have always been helpful.

    It is a great bike...but not as impressive performance-wise as my Cannondale Systemsix, but I like it a lot. A year ago I had the frame retrofitted with S&S couplers and travel with it. I couldn't be happier with the bike for long rides and to travel with.

    You should consider the S&S couplers on your build.....they add a touch of weight, but you never have to go without your roadbike again. Seven would not retrofit the frame, but have been helpful in every other sense for me.

    Posted 3 years ago
  9. zootracer

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    I have a friend who bought a Lynskey R330 last December. His old bike was a Litespeed Catalyst (made by the Lynskey family). He loves it. Says it rides so much better than his old Catalyst. Lynskey has closes-outs but you have to be on the lookout. Right now they have a Promo on a R340 $2295.00. Includes Easton EC90 carbon fork. $909 off.

    Posted 3 years ago
  10. Lis

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    The info you have sent is helpful, keep it coming. Other questions:

    1. Seven - I have heard both good and bad about it. Good stuff was closer to the first couple years they were out. Bad news I think was a couple years ago when they started to combine materials the frame was made from that didn't really agree with one another. I've also heard some things about how they are not too helpful if something doesn't work out. I did like the idea of how the frames are developed with various widths of the tubing as needed.

    2. Serrata - I love the idea of how they actually do the fit and you are able to ride on a stationary bike (ugh!) that is set up like the bike would be once produced. I feel that would be a big benefit. I guess it's hard to imagine ordering a bike with certain specifications and until I ride it, you don't actually know how that feels. Any other info or recommendations on the Serrata - aside of the $$$ cost - but who cares? anything for a bike! I'd love to hear more about this company.

    Lis

    Posted 3 years ago
  11. Lis

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    Oops I forgot to ask -

    Regarding the couplers. I've been told that you can easily pack it and take it on the plane. Any idea how much more the plane flight luggage costs come to in general. Also I assume it goes on the plane with you and the small bags rather than loaded with luggage? I never trust sending my bike clothes in a suitcase anymore due to a couple times that flights have misplaced my bags and I received everything a couple days into my trip and missed riding. Now I always send bike clothes and odds and end by mail a couple weeks ahead to be certain I'll have it when I arrive.

    Lis

    Posted 3 years ago
  12. Cosmic Kid

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    Serotta is a great company and Ben is a passionate cyclist / entrepreneur. He is committed to providing his customers with an excellent riding product.

    I dealt directly with Serotta for a number of years - first through the retail shop I worked in and then later on an OEM basis where he built frames for us. Always a fantastic experience.

    I still have my 91 Colorado II and I can't ever see getting rid of that frame.

    Posted 3 years ago
  13. stormy

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    I have a Ti Serotta with Couplers as my travel bike. I am very happy I bought it My input

    -The couplers are great. About 15-20 minutes on each side to build/take apart. It packs in a special bag that you check with your regular luggage, not carry on. Never been charged. Regular bike bags are $100-300 Each way. I have the hard case and the backpack case. The hard case sucks, impossible to pack. I use the backpack case 6-10 times a year and have never had an issue..... besides it is a Ti frame, hard to break those.

    -I will never buy another Serotta. The service level was terrible. Took forever to get the bike. 18 months after I bought it the rear (Ti) dropout cracked. It took them over 3 months to fix it. During this time they ignored requests for updates from my dealer and even had the cajones to send out an email marketing blast bragging about 3 week turnarounds on new frames. It was not until I used some connections to get my message across that they responded.

    -I went for the Serotta custom fit and would give it mixed reviews. It is one of the more stable and comfortable bikes I have ever ridden but the super long headtube is silly. I guess it works for some people but on high speed descents it is not the best design.

    Another note, what part of the world do you live in? There are often some good local builders that can make great bikes and give good service. Bill Holland always has a full order book and does no advertising.

    Posted 3 years ago
  14. mahoba

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    I think you will be quite happy with any of the builders you listed. One thing I considered when doing a custom steel frame was how long the builder could be expected to remain in business. There are a lot of great artisan builders around but if something goes wrong you want to make sure they are still around to get it taken care of, or that they will take care of it.

    According to Forum lore you need to be at least 55 years old to ride a Serotta;)

    Posted 3 years ago
  15. taterheadrob

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    I have a Seven Axiom Ti purchased in late 1999 (Agilent stock).
    It's a great bike and I don't see getting rid of it. They were great to deal with at that time. The guy at the shop that measured me made one mistake and Seven caught it when they reviwed my measurements and called me to verify before starting the build.

    If the bike got stolen or crashed and ruined I would order another one with slightly different tube length if I have the cash.

    The brand seemed to hit a high poser back lash status just prior to the carbon craze. I am not sure if their quality went down or people got sick of seeing wealthy people riding them that were not serious cyclist.

    rob

    Posted 3 years ago
  16. nightfend

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    If you live near Pennsylvania, then Spectrum might be a good choice. The biggest reason is they are really good about bike fit. The frames themselves are welded by Merlin.

    Posted 3 years ago
  17. KidWok

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    Lis...
    Based on your description of your back troubles, I'd say you should go with the Lynskey...level 2 custom. While all the ti builders you listed are very good, the reason why I think the Lynskey is right for you is because their thin curved titanium seat stays do add to the comfort of a bike quite a bit. My wife has the R-220 using those stays and I can see them flexing when I ride behind her...she's 5'11" and "proportional" in weight (if I said how much, she'd probably kill me). I don't think any of the other builders you've listed have anything that thin/comfortable. To maximize comfort without taking away from performance, you could get the bike built with compact geometry and then use a titanium seatpost.
    Edit...image added:

    Tai

    Posted 3 years ago
  18. system7

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    Regarding the S&S couplers, stormy is right. You check the special bag as regular luggage....these days you pay a regular bag check fee (unless you are on Southwest) but do not pay the regular bike charge.

    The box measures 26x26x10 inches totaling 62" total. This falls under the normal baggage limit. You still need to familiarize yourself with the airline policy...for example Northwest/ Delta charges the full price (175 each way) irrespective of the size. (I don't fly NW/ Delta anymore).

    As for packing, My 61cm frame fits in the box fine, but I need to remove the cranks and fork (not too hard to do these days with the current bb and headsets). That is probably why I need to add 10 - 15 minutes to stormy's time. 25-30 min to pack and reassemble.

    Good luck with your search....I do like the ti ride....I may upgrade to a stiffer fork, but the bike is super nice. I have been getting more compliments on it in the past 2-3 years than I did in the first 2-3 years of ownership, so maybe the seven reputation is o.k. in some circles.

    Posted 3 years ago
  19. MT__Dave

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    2nd on the Carl Strong in Bozeman.

    Posted 3 years ago
  20. Lis

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    Due to my past experiences of airlines losing luggage and missing a day or two of cycling in winter warmth, it sounds like I could easily pass on the couplers. I no longer trust airlines with bike stuff.

    Questions:
    Stormy - how long ago did you have the bad experience with Serrata and how long ago? I live in Minneapolis, MN.

    Mahoba - Thanks for the thought on length of business. I hadn't thought of that one.

    HackMechanic - thanks for all the details

    KidWok - thanks for the good ideas for a Lynsky frame with adjustments for the back

    Later - Lis

    Posted 3 years ago
  21. 79pmooney

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    Another possibility, TiCycles in Portland, OR. A small one man shop, Dave Levy. He's not the fanciest craftsman out there. He does build excellent bikes that work very well. He also has no ego driven "it has to be this way". If you can get a qualtiy fit that you have confidence is the bike bike you really need, he'll build exactly that bike for you, even if it's different from anything he's done before.

    I am picky about bike fit and have spent 30 years learning what works for me. I approached Dave 6-7 years ago for a radical custom stem (180 mm quill). He questioned me a bit, but when he saw I knew what I wanted, he built it. After my 2nd stem from him, I landed the job that meant I could finally justify the custom ti bike I'd lusted since I rode a Merlin 20 years ago. It's a close copy of a 25 year old racing frame that fits me perfectly with a 130 mm stem (and is only the 2nd bike I've ever ridden I could saw that about with any stock stem.

    The bike he built me is sized for a 120 mm stem and has about 1 1/2 cm of spacers on top for me to age into. Fits exactly like that old racing bike. Also has clearance for 25c tires and fenders, a rear brake facing forward rather than back (I just think it looks better), 3 WB cages and a DT shifter fitting. (Also the usual cable guides beside the head tube so I can change my mind.)

    In other words, this isn't your usual bike. It is my dream bike. Ride is first class. The welds aren't quite as beautiful as some, but they will probably hold up forever. It's ti with a steel fork. Ride it hard and forget about it. If I crash it and it's straight enough to ride, it's safe to ride home (and probably the next year).

    Oh, it also sports a paint job. Doesn't look like any other bike out there. Does look sharp. Dave works with a guy that's the best.

    Ben

    Posted 3 years ago
  22. watermoccasin

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    We had a forunite who agonized over every detail of his new custom steel bike. He didn't have it two years and it came apart-- bad weld, bad design, etc. I bet he dropped two grand in the frame and fork. The builder was a welder but frame making was a new, fun hobby business that just didn't pan out. Our friend was stuck with an expensive and cumbersome paperweight.

    There is a frame builders association and they only grant membership to builder who have produced a certain number of frames, operate as a real business, and (I think) have proper business insurance. Here for more info--> http://framebuilders.org/

    Posted 3 years ago
  23. 79pmooney

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    I just read Kid Wok's post about the seat stays. Dave Levy made me a ti seat post. Actually a large set-back Avocet clamp that I needed to get the clamp better centered on the seat rail so I won't break ti seat rails. The post itself is a ti tube that is considerably more comfortable on rough roads (on a bike that was already so comfortable that I find myself seeking rough pavement for fun).

    My first couple of rides, I found myself disturbed by the seatpost flex going hard, but I have had no issues since. In fact, it hasn't crossed my mind for a couple of years until I was writhing this.

    Oh, the need for a large setback post wasn't Dave's screwup on bike fit. It was because I insisted on a 74 degree seat tube when a 72.5 degree post would center the clamp on the seat rails. The steep seat tube allows room for fenders while keeping the chainstays as short as the 2 racing bikes that fit me so well and handled on downhill descents so wonderfully. For me, well worth the need for a custom post.

    Ben

    Posted 3 years ago
  24. stormy

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    The warranty issue was within last year or so. I can understand some delay but the lack of communication is not acceptable.

    I would not give up on the couplers, they are amazing. I have been flying about 100,000 miles per year for over 10 years. I used to travel with my bike 1-2 times a year but now it is 5-10 times a year. I have never had an issue with it. Of the over 50 times I have flow with a bike the biggest issue I have had was with dérailleur hangers and the hardshell Tico boxes, they don't mix well. Of course now that I wrote that my next trip they will lose my bike.

    It is so great to show up, build my bike, and not have to search for a rental place, get to the rental place, adjust the bike to fit, return the bike, etc.

    Posted 3 years ago

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