Hey I have no problem taking "no longer flossy" stuff off your hands, bro!
It is his word versus ours. We like our word. We like where we stand and we like our credibility."--Lance Armstrong.
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Budget tubular wheelset? What's out there?
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KR, it sounds like dkri is goign to set you up but I just wanted to bring up the idea of tubeless...
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They are for the road jm. I am going to race on 26mm tubbies. His CX wheel set comes in at under 1500g for the set. That is plenty light enough for me.
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dkri, I don't agree with the article, I prefer to see a lot of cleavage at a dinner party! ;} The rest of the article is pretty dead on. I have seen it from both sides: I managed a shop for four years in the '90s but now I'm the one getting "good ol boys deals" from my LBS (not the one I managed...different town). I never request the deals and would not be offended if they stopped though.
I wouldn't care if you "advertised" your products on the forum. I don't know how others would feel though.
KR, I just tried a pair of Stan's with Hutch 25s on my road bike and they were awesome...I will probably go tubless on the road even though my road bike is just a "the trails are muddy but I want to ride" bike.
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I like cleavage too.
I'm actually rigging my road bike tubeless this week, just to see how it is. I forget which tires, we ordered them forever ago and I just haven't gotten to it.
For disclosure purposes, I am a partner in November Bicycles. This fact probably colors everything I say. I'm clearly not to be trusted. -
Its like feeding a stray cat - once you start you never get out of it. feed one you end up feeding them all
drki, you can probably bump it up a bit on here
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I'll vouch for November bikes. Good guys to do business with.
Nice bikes too
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sweet looking non steel bike there steelbikerider.... :)
"There is no better than adversity. Every defeat, every heartbreak, every loss, contains its own seed, its own lesson on how to improve your performance the next time."
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Look, when someone mentions November bikes in the thread and I can't recall for certain if it was dkri or not who behind it, I think it is safe to say he is playing it low key.
And I, for one, wouldn't care if he played it up a bit. He's been a long time member and has payed his dues. If he wants to talk about his business, it works for me.
Just say "NO!!" to WCP!
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I totally agree. He isn't spamming. He is telling his people what he is up to.
And he needs to do more of it.
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Great thread, thanks for the links, and November bikes is pretty cool...imho, although I prefer November Snow. (cancell you're ski trips or go to Canada)
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Thanks all.
I reread my earlier post on this and wow was it unclear. When I said our cost for carbon rims was comparable to the complete set KR posted originally, it read like we buy those same rims. We don't. There are two leading OEM rim suppliers, one is Gigantex, we buy from the other one. The ones we use are used by a surprising array of brands, including ProTour wheel sponsors. It's very funny that like everyone knows about Gigantex and no one knows about our supplier. And then there are the dozens and dozens of other ones that have scant track record and which haven't impressed me when I've seen them.
We're growing, and we've got some exciting stuff coming up. We're about to send a prototype carbon rim (our own - in fact my - design) to the A2 tunnel for verification, which is cool. We've worked on a bunch of parameters for this rim, aero being a big one but some other things that might often be more important to racers (we'll keep mum on the full story until we're in production, but we'll be talking about something that you never hear brands talk about with carbon clinchers). This rim will be produced by our current rim supplier. It's a clincher only at this point, because clinchers outsell tubulars 10 to 1 at this point despite my personal preference for tubulars.
We're re-tuning our aluminum wheel line-up to basically maximize what we can do with aluminum wheels. I've done almost two years of road (not always completely on the road) riding exclusively on carbon clinchers to prove a point about carbon clinchers, but I'm honestly totally excited to get onto a set of our new aluminums. Not that the carbon clinchers aren't sweet as hell, it's just 10000 or so miles on one set of wheels you get a bit of a wandering eye.
The supply market is really whacked, just crazy. Difficult as hell to navigate. Fortunately at this point we're in a great place with most of our suppliers and familiar with the desirable options where we want to make changes. Fortunately none of the things we want to change have anything to do with product, but sometimes lead times, minimum order quantities, and prices can turn a harmonious situation into something less than ideal.
I appreciate that people are interested. My relationship with the forum precedes the start of the business by nearly a decade, and I'm rarely if ever the guy to try and dominate a conversation but if I have relevant info that comes from the drinking from the firehose of knowledge that's come from running the business, I'll way in. I see too many examples of guys on other forums being pretty baldly promotional or biased, even sometimes when they seemingly don't mean to be, that I don't want to slide down that slope. Ultimately, it debases your credibility.
We update our blog really frequently, and we like to try and put a lot of good info there. My unfiltered take on what's going on in whatever realm happens to strike my OCD/ADD - addled short attention span theater of a mind is in our newsletter, which usually goes out Wednesdays (and will today if I can get my act together to finish it off). You can sign up for that at http://www.novemberbicycles.com/subscribe
Thanks again
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+1 CK and KR!
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http://www.profile-design.com/profile-design/wheels/wheel-category/carbon-wheelsFound those wheels branded. Profile Altairs.
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