Time to shut down the NRA

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  1. C2K_Rider

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    Sorry cant think about cycling today. Only about how we can shut down the NRA and their insane insistence that anyone any where anytime have unrestricted acces to guns. As far as I am concerned the NRA and anyone who supports them and their agenda has the blood of hundreds of innocent people on their hands

    My wife is a teacher and a few weeks ago had a person with a gun reported at her school. Hours later and dozens of cops no gun person was found but the trauma of that was bad

    Time for everyone who cares about people to grow backbones and kick the NRA out of society. They and their members and supporters are nothing but psychopaths

    "The stone age didn't end because the earth ran out of stones, and the oil age won't end because the earth runs out of oil" -- Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute, rmi.org
    Posted 5 months ago

  2. Burlap Chamois

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    But if those kids were only allowed to carry, then this would not have happened.

    At one time the NRA insisted it was the arbiter of all that is responsibility of gun ownership. They sold their soul. And all that remains is their pornagraphic fetish with arms.

    Posted 5 months ago

  3. Inferno7

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    Time to teach young men coping skills. Time for us to learn the difference between right and wrong, we simply can't justify wrong because of ratings and gains in popularity. Timothy McVeigh didn't use a gun. Having said that yes I wish guns we less prevalent in our country.

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    Posted 5 months ago

  4. Yo Mike

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    Gun owners should be interviewed by their local police dept once per year, as part of the 'well-regulated militia' the second amendment mentions.

    Posted 5 months ago

  5. JS

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    Tragic. Unfortunately history has shown there was and will always be disturbed individuals who do stuff like this. No amount of counseling or gun control will prevent people from doing heinous acts. In the grand scheme our world is much less brutal than it ever was in the past.

    For all the good they've done me, I might as well have stuck them up my arse. - Mark Renton
    Posted 5 months ago

  6. Black Dog

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    Well, it is true that guns do not kill people. The NRA will be saying this vey soon. However, guns make it really fucking easy to kill people quickly and efficiently. This is the problem! Who really wants to live in a world of fear where everyone is armed and ready to kill or be killed? There are many example of places where people live without fear and firearms.

    Cheers...Daryl LeBlanc

    -Life is too important to be taken seriously- Oscar Wilde
    Posted 5 months ago

  7. steelbikerider

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    28 years as a teacher and counting down to retirement.

    Too many kids have no coping skills, no self-esteem because they get a ribbon or trophy for everything but true accomplishment and parents who refuse to take responsibility for their kids' actions, behavior or who refuse to hold anyone but the school/teacher/system accountable for the kid'/parent's lack of success. It's not all kids but it seems like the # increases evey year.

    Posted 5 months ago

  8. jmdirt

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    -Agree that the NRA is not good.
    -Black dog, please list the "many examples".
    -"LIKE" for steelbikerider.

    Posted 5 months ago

  9. eurochien

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    I don't understand how anyone could shoot 8-year old kids. I just cannot.

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  10. C2K_Rider

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    JS: "No amount of counseling or gun control will prevent people from doing heinous acts"

    however, very strict gun control WILL make these kinds of things much more difficult to do.

    And virtually no one who uses a gun in these mass killings will go to the trouble of making a bomb - they are way to lazy and impulsive. McVeighs act was political - not the same as this at all. He planned that for years.

    America is a sick society. Other counties have similar levels of gun ownership but don't suffer the insane acts they way the US does. That does not mean MORE people need MORE guns here, rather it means we need to have much STRONGER gun control and much STRONGER understanding of the mental illness that pervades our society. Starting with the gun fetish and gun pornography scum (thanks Burlap - exactly my feelings).

    Posted 5 months ago

  11. cerv

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    guns don't kill people
    people kill people
    people with guns who kill people kill more people faster

    No other developed country is even close to the US in gun deaths.
    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms

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  12. cerv

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    US 9369 gun deaths
    UK 14 gun deaths
    Japan 47 gun deaths

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  13. Inferno7

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    You need to look at it as a % of the population.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

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  14. Inferno7

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    Regarding Tim McVeigh wasn't thing motive but was thinking means. I agree we need to change out gun laws starting with a ban on assault rifles. But the greater problem is we as a people, something about this instant gratification society, just isn't working.

    Posted 5 months ago

  15. vtguy

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    Agree that there are a number of factors to consider but the biggest one is the easy access to weapons that can kill lots of people quickly. Hopefully the Newtown mass murders will finally spur our elected officials to enact meaningful (and enforceable) gun control.

    Posted 5 months ago

  16. bodynazi

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    Where are the libertarian rightwingers here now? I recall several rabbit posting here after Obama won again...

    Clearly this wouldn't have happened if that school, and America, embraced Jesus Christ our lord and savior [more] fully. Jeebus, not gun control, is the answer here people. Wake up!

    Posted 5 months ago

  17. Hey There

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    "Shut down the NRA"

    Sorry but I cannot agree with your sentiment and the long term implications of it. There is the inconvenient issue of the First Amendment with the guarantees of free speech and peaceable assembly. I am a responsible gun owner. I don't belong to the NRA but I have in the past.

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  18. jacques_anquetil

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    “Gun control supporters have the blood of little children on their hands. Federal and state laws combined to ensure that no teacher, no administrator, no adult had a gun at the Newtown school where the children were murdered. This tragedy underscores the urgency of getting rid of gun bans in school zones.”
    - Larry Pratt, the executive director of Gun Owners of America

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/opinion/blow-a-tragedy-of-silence.html?ref=opinion

    Posted 5 months ago

  19. Entheo

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    i'm not sure that our founding fathers took into consideration semi-automatic assault rifles when the 2nd amendment was adopted in 1791.

    that said, these mass shootings are indicative of a greater disease within our society, IMHO. i'm constantly reminded of this country's obsession with war & violence in our politics, media, news, entertainment, games and even sports. it's ubiquitous.

    these so called 'unbalanced individuals' are the canaries in the coal mine if you ask me. hope we don't wait until it's too late, like the german people did in the 30s and 40s.

    Posted 5 months ago

  20. Yo Mike

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    By Pratt's 'logic' drugs should be for sale in school zones, too. The perp might have scored some weed or coke and then decided not to do the mass murder....

    @Hey There: I'm a gun owner, too, but have never been a NRA member. Maybe the problem is that there are not enough NRA members with a 'more nuanced' mindset? I am implying that change could be made from 'within' but who knows?

    And a +1 to Steelbikerider

    Posted 5 months ago

  21. Black Dog

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    jmdirt: -Black dog, please list the "many examples".

    Sure. Canada, All of Europe, UK, Japan, Austrailia...all of the western world with the exception of the US. Hand guns and assault rifles have one purpose...killing humans.

    I live in Canada and we have a lot of firearms per capita (I own rifles) but we do not allow handguns and assault rifles (some handguns are allowed but are very heavily regulated and very hard to obtain and under no circumstances are allowed to be carried or kept in anything but a gun safe).

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  22. Inferno7

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    Gun control although I am for it to a degree seems to be the simple answer to this complex problem. We have a generation of young men with no coping skills who see violence as a solution to their personal problems.
    These young men tend to blame society for their failures. “It’s society’s fault ... Society disgusts me, someone will pay”

    Let's not forget the poor tortured soul James Holmes (aurora shooter) had an apartment that was booby trapped and took many hours to disarm. This guy could easily have walked into that theater and harmed people without a gun.

    We need to look at the big picture not just part of the picture. Another part of the picture is media violence, I read a few studies on that subject generally I found this;

    Immediately after exposure to media violence, there is an increase in aggressive behavior tendencies because of several factors. 1. Aggressive thoughts increase, which in turn increase the likelihood that a mild or ambiguous provocation will be interpreted in a hostile fashion. 2. Aggressive affect increases. 3. General arousal (e.g., heart rate) increases, which tends to increase the dominant behavioral tendency. 4. Direct imitation of recently observed aggressive behaviors sometimes occurs.
    Repeated media violence exposure increases aggression across the lifespan because of several related factors. 1. It creates more positive attitudes, beliefs, and expectations regarding use of aggressive solutions. 2. It creates aggressive behavioral scripts and makes them more cognitively accessible. 3. It decreases the accessibility of nonviolent scripts. 4. It decreases the normal negative emotional reactions to conflict, aggression, and violence.

    Posted 5 months ago

  23. TheShortWhiteGuy

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    As a father of three boys, one being a kindergartner, I can't imagine the mindset to murder the most innocent in our society.

    That being said, I am headed (along with my 13-year old son) to the gun & knife show this weekend, and will probably purchase a rifle or hand gun or both. My motives are two-fold: 1) It is time for me take the responsibility to train (and acquire more training) my family in responsible handling, firing and storing of a firearm 2) sporting purposes (we have also purchased three bows for the boys to use at out local community pool's archery range). If I am required to complete a background check, and spend the extra money for a personal firearms training certification, so be it.

    Think of me what you will, but I don't think we need more restrictions - we need the current laws on the books enforced! In fact, I would advocate bringing back shooting (and archery clubs) at the high school level. Yes, I am saying that we should have required bow/firearms training classes or sanctioned clubs for all high school students. The NRA might get more mileage for their cause, much like AAA has with student driver classes, to push programs like this. I would also like to see the NRA stand up and promote a school program like this to combat the anesthesizing effect that the video game generation experiences, one that has serious consequences and can't be brushed away by hitting the reset button.

    Life is too short to be small. - Disraeli

    So, why not be petty? - The Short White Guy™
    Posted 5 months ago

  24. jmdirt

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    Black Dog,

    "There are many example of places where people live without fear and firearms."

    I wanted to see your list of places that live without firearms. All of the places on your list have firearms including your own country. You list Canada and then talk about the firarms you own.

    Let me be clear, I am not saying that things are fine with firearms in the US, far from it. Gun control laws rarely keep criminals/wackos from getting guns though.

    I think that we are on the same side of this issue, I just don't agree with your statment about there being many places without firearms.

    Posted 5 months ago

  25. Habanero

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    You have the right to live without being shot. No one should be able to own a gun, unless it is for hunting and hunting only. Handguns, automatic guns etc. have only one purpose, killing people.

    "There is no better than adversity. Every defeat, every heartbreak, every loss, contains its own seed, its own lesson on how to improve your performance the next time."
    Malcolm X
    Posted 5 months ago

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