pa biker... insurance question

  1. watermoccasin

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    My understanding is that uninsured motorist insurance covers medical costs incurred by me (or passengers in my vehicle) if an accident is caused by another person and they have either no insurance or not enough coverage to pay my medical costs. Does my policy cover me only if I'm in my insured car or would it cover me if I'm on my bike and get hit by either hit-and-run or an uninsured/ underinsured motorist?

    You ought to have a weekly post about insurance and cycling... kind of like (can't remember who it was) the patent guy that posted esoteric bike patent stuff. It was always a fun read but understanding coverage might be more relevant.

    Thanks.

    Posted 5 months ago
  2. Bernie

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    I think the coverage is a little broader. Uninsured motorist coverage covers a policy holder, and generally anyone in their household, if they are injured in any way by another vehicle and their claims are not coverd by the liability insurance or financial resources of the person causing the injury. In short, it is there to protect someone from a "financially irresponsible motorist" which can be defined as people whose insurance companies deny their claims (like exclusions for drunk drivers), uninsured motorists, stolen vehicle operators, or similar drivers. In Virginia (I'm no attorney and each state law may be different) you need to meet two requirements; first, that you were injured (or have a legitimate claim for damages) due to involvement in an accident with an uninsured motor vehicle; and second, that you qualify as "insured". Insured means the policy holder, their spouse in the same household, relatives in the same household of either, and any one with implied or express consent who uses the insured's vehicle.

    To answer your question, you are covered if on the bike, if a pedestrian, or if in your car, or in any other car and meet the tests above (injury in a motor vehicle accident and 'insured'). Certain tests of liability will apply depending upon state law (such as in va, if you are contributorily negligent in any way a claim can be denied) so check your state law. Hope this helps.

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    Posted 5 months ago
  3. watermoccasin

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    Thanks. I thought I read something that sort of indicated a cyclist would be covered under his auto/ uninsured motorist provision but wasn't positive.

    Posted 5 months ago
  4. pa biker

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    What state wet snake?

    Posted 5 months ago
  5. watermoccasin

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  6. pa biker

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    The law varies by state and the differences are not subtle. I can only speak for Maryland or Pennsylvania, but since PA is different - I'll speak for just for Maryland.

    Auto Primer:

    There are several coverages:

    Liability Bodily Injury: money we pay to other people if you are at fault for medical expenses, lost wages, or worse loss of life. This is listed per person and per occurance (ie $100k/$300k)

    Liability Property Damage: money we pay to other people for their property that was also damaged (ie car, light pole, fiber optic nodule, bridge, etc.) This is the third figure in the liability section (ie $100k)

    Medical (aka: no fault, personal injury protection, or PIP) This is considered primary coverage for medical costs incurred by you and your relatives inside your car as the result of an auto accident REGARDLESS of who was at fault, and will pay BEFORE your medical insurance carrier. In MD it's either $2500 (state minimum), $5000, or $10,000. YES, if someone hits you and you go the the ER and incur $2000 of bills YOUR own insurance will pay for it. That said it is not rateable - meaning not considered your fault and won't alone increase your rates. If you incur $100,000 of medical costs, your PIP pays out to the max and then the responsible party is on the hook for the remainder out of their Bodily Injury Liability coverage (see above).

    Comprehensive (comp): Money we pay for YOUR vehicle in the event it is damaged by fire, vandalism, deer collision, theft, broken glass, tire slashings, etc.). This coverage is subject to a deductible of your choosing ($0 - $1000).

    Collision: Money we pay for YOUR vehicle in the event it is damaged by YOU running into something (ie car, pole, curb, etc.). This coverage is also subject to a deductible you choose ($0 - $1000).

    Emergency Road Service (ERS): Cheap coverage for lock-outs, tows, flat tires, dead batteries, etc. No deductible we pay the whole deal. In Maryland, if you have a flat tire and decide to change it yourself, there is a 75% chance you will be killed while doing it - call us. This is the AAA killer. We are $4.40 per year per car, they are....... more.

    Rental Reimbursement: Money available to pay for or help you pay for the cost of a rental car in the event your car is in the repair shop as a result of your crashing or using your comp. coverage.

    Uninsured/Underinsured Motorist: Money we have available to pay for damage to your and/or your vehicle in the event you're hit by a driver who doesn't have (he's going to jail) or has too little (Progressive?) insurance. Using this coverage invokes a state-mandated deductible $250 here in MD. So some schmuck hits you, totals your car, you go to the ER, and miss 6 months of work: We pay up to the coverage you selected (usually matches your liablity coverages (ie $100k/$300k/$100k). Sure it blows that you pay $250, but the alternative is that we pay nothing and you track Bubba down at the lottery store every Friday and get your money back $48 at a time. If you make alot of money, take that into account.

    Those are the basics, I'll address questions as I am able to.

    If you live in Maryland, I'd love have your business, and if you're a decent driver - It's likely to be a mutualistic symbiosis.

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    That said, if you are injured by a car your

    Posted 5 months ago
  7. watermoccasin

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    Sheesh... state minimums, a complete joke. Won't cover a fender of a new Mercedes or pay for a broken arm.

    If a person has an umbrella policy will it cover that which the auto policy (un/under insured motorist) doesn't cover or does that factor in at all on this?

    Thanks for the information and I didn't realize state laws would vary much on insurance.

    Posted 5 months ago
  8. pa biker

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    State minimums in Maryland are $30k/$60k/$15k - which is a joke (and higher than most). I had a client hit a fibre optic node in Montgomery County, one of those green boxes you see at intersections - total bill $89,000 no other people or vehicles involved. Do you wanna stoke a check for five figures because your son/daughter was texting to a friend?

    I have: $250,000/$500,000/$100,000 on my autos and a $1,000,000 personal liability umbrella policy that provide excess coverage over my autos, my home, and my rental properties.

    Much more on the business side, just in case I give you fellas bad advice - kidding I am.

    Posted 5 months ago
  9. watermoccasin

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    Missouri is 25k/50k/10k Totally irresponsible to have that little. x2 on the umbrella policy. It's a cheap way to get a lot of coverage.

    Posted 5 months ago
  10. pa biker

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    bernie did a good job explaining the un/underinsured motorist coverage, I would add that this is where we go to get coverage for you if you're the victim of a hit and run. Still the $250 deductible, but we'll then cover the rest up to your limits. If you want your insurance company to pay for a rental car then you have to have rental reimbursement on our policy - even in this hit and run scenario. BTW most hit and runs occur while your car is parked on the street.

    These claims, like comp claims, are not rateable or chargeable to you.

    Posted 5 months ago
  11. roadbuzz

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    Random thoughts ...
    - Odd how little the minimums have changed since I got my license in the early 70s. At the time, they had a *chance* of being realistic.
    - Umbrella policy: why wouldn't you? Any 1/2 second "aw shit" can cost (figuratively) an arm and a leg.
    - AAA road service: Has anyone ever had a good experience with them? If so, I've never heard it. (e.g. Breakdown in Manassas, Va area @ 10:00, wait until 2:00 AM for for a wrecker.)
    - Un/under-insured motorists: Any chance there might be an "illegal alien" or two in your neighborhood?

    I'm in no way involved in the insurance business, just have trouble seeing why some people think it's a waste of money (whole life is another matter). Thanks for the info, PA.

    Posted 5 months ago
  12. pa biker

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    Many illegals here in Maryland; however, they have driver's licenses and pay for their car insurance. It's the folks from WV who don't have car insurance and as a result the rates in WV are very high.

    Posted 5 months ago
  13. Bernie

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    Unfortunately I know more about underinsured/uninsured motorist coverage than I wanted to know due to substantial claims I recently made which are otherwise uncovered. Va state minimums are $25,000/$50,000/$20,000. There are any number of scenarios where a severe accident not your fault total well beyond any of those figures, and mostly it will be the cause of someone without any other resources that carries the minimums. Consequently, without the coverage for under/uinsured you get stuck holding the bag. For many, it might mean being in an accident not your fault and suddenly finding yourself bankrupt and crippled with nowhere to turn. Liability and Uninsured/underinsured coverage at higher amounts than the minimum is relatively cheap, and well worth it, as is an umbrella liability policy.

    Posted 5 months ago

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