Ot ...volt update

  1. hoshie99

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    A few folks expressed interest in the volt so now that I am a month in, I thought I'd send a recap of the experience so far.

    For background, I have a fairly long commute about 52 miles round trip in / around Los Angeles. I have owned Audi, Saab, Volvo and recently a Prius. This is my first GM product. Apparently 7 out of 10 volt owners have not been GM customers prior.

    The car has an upscale feel in both interior and drive. It reminds me a bit of my s60 volvo with a solid road feel, decent acceleration, and comfortable solid ride. The turning radius and handling are both tight and the car is very easy to drive. It is not sporty like most Audi's but I wouldn't group this with the Prius as an econo car. I am very pleased and pleasantly surprised by the ride quality.

    The interior I also like. If I had some suggestions it would be around control layouts...too many buttons and gizmos with some of unclear benefit, also, there are some interesting choices of plastics from the GM parts bin that cheapen an otherwise excellent product. Nothing fatal however and my overall impression is positive.

    It is quiet, and you can not tell when switching from electric charge over to the gas generator except a very slight increase in noise.
    Quick aside...the volt is an electric car, it has a gas generator on board to produce power for the electric engine when the battery power is finished extending range to over 300 miles.

    The only criticism I have on the drive is that the front air dam is very low so it scrapes easily. Additionally, the rear visibility is compromised a little much like the Prius due to the split hatch window due to the Kammtail and spoiler design for aerodynamics. It is not bad, just not as clear as some cars. The volt is better than the Prius in that regard.

    Charging and range

    With a 120 volt outlet and using the max amp setting of 12 amps, it is taking about 8 hrs to fully charge the battery. On the default setting of 8 amps it takes 10. I can use my regular outlet. With a 240 charger installation, it is said to take 4 hrs and I have no basis to think otherwise.

    I have been getting between 35 and 40 miles per battery charge which is right inline with estimates, that being said the battery indicator on the car shows remaining range on the battery and that can fluctuate. For example, going up a big hill near the start of my commute takes me down to 28 miles to go, but then the 28 miles stays for about 4 miles on the flats after. I think the algo used to estimate will need to be better as tech and range improves.

    To date, I have travelled close to 900 miles and only used roughly 6 gallons of gas. Almost half of that was on the day I bought the car since I got it from a dealer I do regular business with but he is about 100 miles away.

    Issues

    I had one issue and that was Bluetooth call quality. I needed a software update for a known issue that was pretty easy to fix. However given the volt is a specialist car, it took a lot of back and forth before I got the right answer from the dealer and the GM infotainment hotline. GM has a Volt specialist advisor hotline and that team knew right away what to do and the applicable fix. Why I wasn't directed there first from the GM infotainment helpline means they are still sorting out some process issues. That being said, the Volt advisory team is very helpful and they have a smartphone app with all the car's core data and your key contacts all embedded. I'll post about that later but it is very cool.

    It seems clear that GM wants this to be a halo car and the advisory team is a nice touch. It will be interesting to see how that all plays out.

    Incentives

    In CA, you can receive two benefits from certain zero emissions (or ultra low) and alt fuel vehicles. The volt qualifies for a1500 rebate from the state provided you own the car or lease it for 36 months. Additionally you can qualify for carpool lane status. The paperwork has been sent but 1 month I have yet to receive either. Most tell me within 60 days.

    It is clear to me that we have a long way to before the tech and infrastructure puts a huge dent in gas vehicles but it is interesting to see what is up. For me, I do enjoy cars but will see if I can make next career and lifestyle change to have a bike commute. That is really my favorite way to get around. Big news to you guys I am sure.

    In sum, I'd say a solid thumbs up so far.

    Posted 4 months ago
  2. longslowdistance

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    Thanks for the report.
    I'm looking forward to Volt 2.0.

    Posted 4 months ago
  3. ChinookPass

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    If rearview visibility is poor, get a Cerevellum!

    Interesting review. Thanks.

    Posted 4 months ago
  4. lochness

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    Thanks for that review. I'm working on taking my subie to 250000 (242 right now), but after that I'm definitely in the market for something that uses less gas. Alas, I live on an old dirt road, so the clearance might be a very real issue.

    Posted 4 months ago
  5. rnddude

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    From a engineering perspective I think the Volt is great achievement. What I don't understand is all of the volt bashing that goes on on internet forums. All of the volt owners I have spoken to, admittidly a somewhat biased group, have high praise for the car.

    "To be free and to live a free life - that is the most beautiful thing there is."
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    Posted 4 months ago
  6. roadbuzz

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    "there are some interesting choices of plastics from the GM parts bin that cheapen an otherwise excellent product"

    Alas, a GM design decision (like ground clearance) not limited to the Volt. The ground clearance issue forced me to nix a GM product I was considering a few years ago.

    Glad to hear it is going well and hope that it continues to for all of us hoping to adopt this technology!

    Posted 4 months ago
  7. Inferno7

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    so what was the net cost? And if you lease it how much is it /month. If you don't mind me asking.

    LeMond VO2 max 95, Armstrong 82....doh
    Posted 4 months ago
  8. hplbiking

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    hoshie99,

    I have always liked the look of the Volt and it appears to be selling pretty well. My commute is only 25 miles and my wife’s is only 50. Since we already own a mini van, we really did not need the extended miles from the gasoline, so we purchased the ford focus electric. It is not advertized very well, most do not even realize it is an electric car since it is the exact same model as the normal focus. Happy with the focus but do admit I like the looks of the volt better.

    I may be splitting hairs a little, but I have to disagree with you in calling it an electric car. Whether the gas directly propels the car or is used to run the electric motor, I consider it a plug in hybrid. I think California does also as they rebate 2,500 for a full electric. Also I think your car has an exhaust.

    Full electric cars only work with a small number of customers and the Volt certainly increases the customer base. I did not realize how much turning the heater on or even just the vent kills the range (5-15 mile loss), so not sure how people that don’t live in San Diego drive one.

    Posted 4 months ago
  9. hoshie99

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    OK, here is the reason I called it an electric car - I mean the motor specifically. There is a common misconception about the car - it has an electric motor, not a standard internal combustion engine. The gas generator kicks in to power the electric motor. Hybrids (the Prius) actually have 2 motors, one gas / internal combustion engine and a small electric motor as well.

    That was for clarity, not some politcial statement or classification. I stated it since it's a common question I get and a bit different than the Hybrid technology in common use and design. As others have said, the net costs about where the electricity come from (coal, solar, gas, etc) help fill in the big picture on how green all of this new technology ultimately is.

    That being said, I think GM's prior experience with the EV1 told them that range is a crippler for sales and consumer perception, so they obviously used a bridging strategy with a gas generator to fill in the gap vs a msasive battery strategy like Tesla to broaden the appeal (and appease consumer anxiety) and near term adoption. Even with Tesla's superchargers they are installing that purportedly takes 30 min to half the full battery charge , it's just much easier and viable right now to grab some gas if in a pinch or a long trip.

    Seems they are now getting traction in CA finally given the way I saw them fly out of dealerships in Q4. Certainly depends on area. In my neighborhood, they'd have 15 in stock and be gone within a few weeks. Same for Orange County. Dealers have told me less so in the Inland Empire and less urban or aflluent suburban areas which makes sense.

    Anyway, hope that clarifies.

    j

    Posted 4 months ago
  10. hoshie99

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    Doh- technically ignore that - it is a "combustion engine" gas generator, but it's purpose is to power the electric motor from what I read. Just differemt than a hybrid which is an assist at low speeds and for additional power.

    Anyway, regardless, hope it clarifies - functionally when the battery is dead, you are using gas. You can goof with it w/ some settings and force it to use gas, but I suspect most don't. From my settings, i have used electric and no gas about 75% of the time...

    I'll post further updates when I have some meangful feedback. It's been interesting. Everything from seeing which parking lot has a charger (and in Pasadena, they were full up - no way wasI going to be able to charge) to the wierd look from my parking attendant when I asked to switch my dedicated parking slot, it's clear there is a ways to go...

    j

    Posted 4 months ago

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