So from all we now know did LA...

  1. AluminumFrog

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    ...really gift Pantani Ventoux?

    Or was it a cycnical way for him to disguise a defeat?

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    COURCHEVEL, France (AP) -- Lance Armstrong thought he was being respectful by letting Marco Pantani win a Tour de France stage last week but now regrets being so generous.

    The defending Tour de France champion, who is set to retain his title this week, eased up in the final stages of the famed climb up Mont Ventoux after a rousing battle with the Italian.

    Pantani, one of the world's great climbers and 1998 Tour de France champion, has since told Italian journalists that the American's move was an insult.

    "I am very disappointed. I thought he had more class than that," Armstrong said of Pantani on Monday, a rest day on the Tour. "It is unfortunate, but we are now seeing him in his true colors. I felt like it was a gift but now know that it was a mistake to give him the gift."

    Many race fans were surprised at the end of last Thursday's 12th stage when Armstrong, seeing that his main challengers for the title had pulled back, eased off in the final 20 meters.

    The 28-year-old Texan explained his decision by saying Pantani's riding had been "admirable."

    "Pantani is a great climber, a great champion, but he wasn't the best man on Ventoux and anyone who saw the race knows that," Armstrong said.

    EDIT * Or did he do it to avoid doping controls as stage winner?

    Posted 4 months ago
  2. Yo Mike

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    Here's a can of worms.

    Easy to see how Pantani would be offended. LA saying it was a 'gift' - his to 'give' as if Pantani could not win it outright. Really?

    Whatever it was, I think it accomplished LA's purposes. Clever, perhaps: Pantani went ballistic and self-destructed in the next few stages. It was incredibly condescending and arrogant on LA's part.

    Does this also mean that Pantani did the stage clean?

    Posted 4 months ago
  3. longslowdistance

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    Where are the purists saying neither won, since they both doped?

    Posted 4 months ago
  4. stronz

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    well you can rewrite this any way your want. All I know is that it is to this day one of the most exciting (perhaps THE most exciting) stages I have ever watched. Pantani's repeated attacks aftr falling off the pace, Lance's obviously other-worldly bridge away from some of the fittest climbers all of whom were probably doped as if they were standing still into a crazy headwind, and then the tet-a-tet with Pantani whom he clearly could not drop produce high drama for me that really made me fall in love with the tour. Not apologizing for anyone Lance, Pantani or other -- they made the choice to dope. We got to watch it and boy was it fun.

    Posted 4 months ago
  5. Inferno7

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    He probably would have passed the test, as he passed all the rest. He shouldn't have given Pantani the win....imho.

    LeMond VO2 max 95, Armstrong 82....doh
    Posted 4 months ago
  6. jacobus

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    1) When it happened live, I thought gave the win to Pantani. It's not like "gifting" a stage is uncommon. The only uncommon part is saying he did so.

    2) I don't think Armstrong had much concern about doping controls. He didn't gift his other 23 stage wins for fear of a doping control

    Posted 4 months ago
  7. 7tdf-SpearofLance

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    Anyone have a link to this stage?

    Posted 4 months ago
  8. stronz

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    SOL. You have maaaad skills

    -- in case you are not phuckng with us this time. Its the 2000 tdf

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q38Gyjv4EE

    Posted 4 months ago
  9. Entheo

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    LOL -- SOL's like a tone-deaf groupie.

    it was clearly a gift, armstrong let off the gas at the line. for someone known for his 'no-gifts' that one sure backfired on him.

    Posted 4 months ago
  10. Jah

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    Stronz, you could have really challenged the Sole of the Dark Knight and posted a written account of the stage

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/cycling/2000/tour_de_france/news/2000/07/17/verbal_feud_ap/

    I don't think he ever learned how to read

    Posted 4 months ago
  11. 7tdf-SpearofLance

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    After seeing it, my guess is that Lance 2nd guessed his decision. Afterward he decided afterall that he wanted to win the stage. By then it was too late. A moment of indecision. So Patani came over the line first, but Lance wanted to let the world know who really won the stage. So he said it was a GIFT to the Pirate, not one of kindness but kind of one where if you accept it you admit that you were the loser. So no matter what happens Pantani is diminished. Very Lance like ruthlessness. He wanted to make sure Pantanis was crushed, if not physically then psychologically. It is just Lance's way, like offering to buy Greg Lemond's hose.

    Posted 4 months ago
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  13. jacques_anquetil

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    <spews coffee from nose all over keyboard!>

    Posted 4 months ago
  14. Polish

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    Watching that stage live as it happened I was left with the impression Lance wanted to win - but he misjudged the finish line. Lance did not realize the finish line was as close as the finish line was.

    Zabel is known for 2nd place oooops finishes - and it sure seemed that day that Lance pulled an ooops. And when he justified the "ooops" with a "gift" explanation later - it did not ring true to me at the time. It WAS an awesome stage though. Marco & Lance on Ventoux. Classic.

    Posted 4 months ago
  15. Entheo

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    misjudged the line... yeah, right. he could have blown right by pantani when he caught him, but instead slowed down and played domestique.

    that's a merciless yet beautiful climb; did it two years ago.

    Posted 4 months ago
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  17. rnddude

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    I always thought it was a jesture of respect that backfired because he talked about it. Pantani, being a proud man, responded negatively to it. I wish he would have talked him into going over the line at the same time, hand-in-hand. Now THAT would have been a great sight and would have elevated my respect for them both.

    "To be free and to live a free life - that is the most beautiful thing there is."
    Miguel Indurain
    Posted 4 months ago
  18. pa biker

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    Armstrong has 0 TdF stage wins.

    Unless, I miscounted somehow.

    Posted 4 months ago
  19. Polish

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    PA, Lance's "Point towards Heaven" stage win still exists. Still in this world. Still real.

    The finish line on Ventoux that year was right around a bend. I did not even realize the stage ended watching on TV happened so fast boom.

    Posted 4 months ago
  20. Cosmic Kid

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    LA has 2 TdF stage wins - '93 (in the Stars & Strips jersey) and '95 (stage dedicated to Casertelli).

    Those wins were not affected by the USADA /UCI action.

    Just say "NO!!" to WCP!

    "Want to get faster? Work harder, eat better, cut the crap. Instead of talking the talk, work the work"
    Posted 4 months ago
  21. Polish

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    Lance was wearing the Stars & Stripes earned in Philly. "But Lance can't Climb" myth. BtW, that TdF win was ONE of only TWO TdF stage wins won by a neo pro. The other one is some French gentleman from the 10/20's I believe.

    edit....Lance was a real dick back then let me tell you.

    Posted 4 months ago
  22. stronz

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    um, he's a real dick now too

    Posted 4 months ago
  23. Polish

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    Believe it or not - he was a BIGGER dick back then. Heck, even I did not like him back in those days.

    Posted 4 months ago
  24. Entheo

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    polish: The finish line on Ventoux that year was right around a bend.

    yes, that's the top. they all knew they were finishing at the top that year. it wasn't their first rodeo.

    Posted 4 months ago
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