Great Caesars Ghost! Aerobars in a paceline.
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Yeah, seen that before. All kinds of "wrong" in that video.....but aerobars in a paceline are at the top of the list!!
Just say "NO!!" to WCP!
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seems like we have seen that one before. Could have been worse. Looks like he busted some spokes when he touched wheels.
Was on a ride once and met up w/some guys who were on their aerobars in a paceline. I rode with them but stuck to the very front.
As a rule i dont like riding with other guys (at all!) for this reason. Riding in a paceline well takes concentration and skill. Imo it is incompatible with aerobars. Having said that the vid here is mostly the fault of the rider who fell. Took his hands off the bars and rubbed wheels -- loss of concentration.
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While this video shows some bike skills, not that I'd ever try it.
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The guy in that first video has little-to-no bike handling skills. Even with the wheel touch, there was no reason for him to go off the road and crash.
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This video points out one of the big problems with the modern "rec/sport" cyclist.
They spend their money on components and training and they never learn handling skills or the importance of them.
It is his word versus ours. We like our word. We like where we stand and we like our credibility."--Lance Armstrong. -
The camera work and editing were pretty good.
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Calling BS on 34 MPH speed calim. Cadence and gearing don't match. Those were some serious gear mashers, typical for amatuer tri riders and wannabe TT riders.
Distance covered from impact to dismount was not very far yet the rider clearly slowed down to a crawl quickly without panic breaking.
Ditto- the poor bike handling skills. No reason to go off road. Was he trying to pull a Lance and regroup down the hill? (See, a positive way to work a LA reference into a discussion)
at least he did one thing right, kept his front wheel into the back wheel of the other rider instead of trying to turn out. But he still panicked as they came apart. Best to just grind your wheel, hold your line, soft pedal, and wait for separation. usualy little to no damage to wheels, at least AL wheels. haven't had the displeasure of trying that with carbon - yet.
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I think the integrity of the wheel was compromised after the wheel-touch and the handling got squirrely. Maybe not -- but seemed to have some wobbles. And I too have a prob with the 34mph claim.
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paceline etiquette 101. If you are rotating clockwise, to your left and behind you is for the guy on your wheel. In front of you and to your right is where you can operate - within reason. Depending on the speed and wind, you have to assume someone is overlapping your rear wheel. If you wobble, ride in the aero bars or suddenly change the direction of rotation there will be crash.
crash may have started with rider #2 as he is the one that over-accelerated and then over corrected and broke the rhythm of the rotation. the guy tooling along in his bars did not have a chance
all that aside, put 3 tri guys in a row in a paceline with ill-handling tribikes, poor handling skills and aero bars... the result is inevitable. anyone who gets in their aero bars on a group with me will get a friendly verbal reminder to start. the behind the seat bottle cages are the first signs of trouble
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It looks like the quick release of the middle rider took out several spokes & the wheel got real wobbly as it had very few spokes anyway. Typical Tri-Guy riding.
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I had a QR take out some spokes at the beginning of a crit. Put up my hand, slid out of the group no problem. These guys just don't know how to ride in a group.
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In some defense of the guy, he had half the spokes on one side taken out. So while it may have been a "few", the end result was that is seriously compromised the integrity of the wheel. Look how much the thing is wobbling @ 1:04 in the video.
That said, seems pretty clear that he over-reacted once he was off the road and grabbed a handful of his front brake, causing the endo. The irony of course is that he was already past the most dangerous section of off road shoulder (bumps, grass, etc)....
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These guys would not last long in a crit. Scary Cat 5 stuff-Even worse when they are strong Tri-Guys & you can not just ride away from them. No group skills plus horsepower & you end up on the pavement.
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CK, I re-viewed the video, and I concur, the wobbling was due to having spokes taken out by the rear QR. Likely the panic application of the front brake is what endoed him. I still don't know why he chose to go off road, unless he was looking for a softer landing spot.
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jpouchet, years ago I lead out a town line sprint. On my right, a noted fast guy came flying through and cut hard over to my line to shed the newbie on his wheel. Newbie came over too. I suddenly found a wheel where my front belonged. We were nearly skewer to skewer. I leaned my bike into his and heard a long, loud crunching sound. We separated and I rode my bike to a stop. 8 consecutive spokes cut out plus two on the other side. Thank you, Weinmann concave rims, probably the strongest, stiffest rim ever made!
But the big point. I initiated contact and pushed hard enough into his wheel to get separation. With that, I didn't crash (and take down the usual half dozen).
Guy behind me was an experienced racer. Appreciated my action enough to turn around, ride home, get his car and drive someone he never saw before home. The start of a good friendship.
Ben
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Ding, Ding, Ding!!! You lean INTO the other rider long enough to get your balance back and then separate. People just don't believe it, though....But the big point. I initiated contact and pushed hard enough into his wheel to get separation. With that, I didn't crash (and take down the usual half dozen).
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People don't understand the physics of how a bike steers and that you steer the opposite direction in which you want to go to initiate a turn. It is especially important when you get into someones rear wheel. Keep calm, steer into his wheel a bit and your wheel will magically move away from his.
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True enough Keith, same on motorcycles, below about 10MPH you steer into the direction you want to go, but above that speed you actually steer the opposite way, which causes the bike to lean, and then the rake & trail geometry takes over and makes the turn.
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Every year the team I ride with does the MS150 charity ride. We do plenty of riding as a group and know how to handle ourselves in pace lines and tight groups when they do those mass starts. Inevitably there is another team comprised of tri-geeks sitting in their aerobars in a pack or pace line. Wobbling to and fro because they can't ride a bike to begin with and then insist in riding their $5K tri-crabon Fred setup in a pace line with other riders they don't even know!
There are instances where my mates and I will sit up and let the aerobar freds & freddettes ride away so we won't be put into a situation where they panic or can't brake. Over the last 3 years of doing that ride, every major crash has involved the tri-geeks with poor bike skills riding pace lines in aerobars and then losing control.
Sad to see someone go down and injure themselves but have little sympathy when it's because they couldn't ride a bike.
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The guy who wrecked is a non-bike riding noob and has no business out there in a group.
Time stamp 1:23; check his quick release.
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I just yelled at my computer. He saves it from a wheel touch but is in such a hurry to get off that he crashes? No nice words.
I have a confession of sorts related to this. I broke my collar bone riding alone in traffic on Sunday. I got my wheel caught in a right turn at the point I should have been counter steering. For the first time I can recall this little short connector never has traffic and the light is always red. I usually approach this intersection with the intent to stop and most times stopping is necessary. Sunday there were several cars and the light was green so I took my place in line with the cars and moved a meter off the curb so I would hold the lane. Everyone turns right too. So what could go wrong? The curb is about 8 inches of concrete before the road transitions to pavement and somehow a combination of rotting pavement, A slight lip and the wheel turns pretty hard right. My centre of gravity gravity got in front of me left side and over I go. Remember every moment including the sound of the bone and hitting my head just hard enough to replace the helmet.
That was Sunday. Had it pinned yesterday as there was enough displacement for the surgeon to offer it. No out of pocket expenses either but now I have to see a doctor before work will let be back before 4 to 6 weeks. I want to return Monday which is what they let me do 16 years ago when I broke the right one. Too many rules. -
If you are IN the pace line, why the fudge do you even need to be on your aero bars? Rookie crash.
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Like they say in 12 step programs...it only works if you use it. We are here for you Master50...lol.
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I think he was just trying to pull over for a safe landing but with the wheel out of true the brake caliper stopped him dead,hence over the handlebars. His safest bet would have been to just use his rear brake.
Not having the advantage of the you tube video like us I think he was just trying to stop not really knowing the extent of the damage. All and all he could have came out worse, ask Master50 ( get well Fast).
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